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Jo Waller's avatar

Jerm, seeing as you went to Xinjiang a) did you see any evidence of persecution or genocide of Uryghurs b) are they aware that we're being told that 2 million of them have been illegally detained/organ harvested/killed or sterilised by the Chinese government?

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Eloise Hurren's avatar

Or allegedly raped and then forced to abort if impregnated 😢😢

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yes, propaganda from the CIA and NED if ever there was.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Here I answer my own question. So many people are going to Xinjiang it's impossible to keep the absurd narrative, pushed by the NED, of genocide of Uighurs going- although many still won't let it go. Yes there was US backed terrorism that the Chinese government reacted to but no mass detainment, no forced sterilisation and no genocide.

Details from Brian Berletic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78s7yP2BdF0

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Palerider's avatar

“Every country gets the government it deserves” Count Joseph de Maistre

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Jo Waller's avatar

Like America getting the US permanent government who are spreading this propaganda about the Uyghurs in Xinjiang?? Jo Waller.

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Jbonnell's avatar

I like this one. I’ve long suspected the Chinese dystopian horror was propaganda on a grand scale. One year I had several Chinese students in my class who went back to China every summer for family and Chinese practice. They loved it there! They complained about how technologically behind we were, how fast their internet was, the seamlessness of their access to everything. They often felt we were almost old world by comparison. I understand the situation is similar in the Koreas and Japan.

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

I really liked your comment about freedom based on government ineptitude. That was Liberia for me from 1985-87. I hated to come back to the USA and my 'adjustment' to living here again went on for years and never succeeded. I felt so free in Liberia. I never felt unsafe and I partied in the clubs in Monrovia till 1-2 am, and went back to wherever I was staying by myself in taxis, and was never hassled at all by ANY Africans (there were folks there from several neighboring countries and a lot of them drove taxis:). This was just before the 20 year civil war. I'm sure none of that is 100% true now.

I never gave the Liberian government a second thought, except for it's corruption, which was so in your face that it was taken for granted. Corruption is the #1 issue for the world, but back in the 1980's you would be ridiculed for saying that. Liberians didn't rape foreigners. There were thieves for sure, but you could learn to spot them, and stay out of places where you could be 'rogued.'

The Lebanese, Chinese and Indians trafficked Philippina women above a restaurant called Diana's and at the Hotel Africa casino. There was a Fulbright scholar who preferred 9 year old girls. And there were three really creepy alcoholic cast offs from the CIA killing time to retirement with positions at USAID. But all of this shit was like a minor side show.

Bottomline, it didn't stop anyone from going to the beach, working on their projects, helping folks in their towns, or whatever. I was frustrated with some stuff, but not for long because I was so much happier there. The Liberian people were real and still had their souls.

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Craig's avatar

Thank you for going to China to see what is actually happening there instead of endlessly repeating the US propoganda. Maybe you could do the same with North Korea to check out the US propaganda about that country. I have read reports from people who have been there and it isn't what the CIA/Soros/globalists claim.

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Iain McCausland's avatar

‘China has loads of cameras…as a result crime is extremely low.’ Eh? London has as many surveillance cameras (if not more) than any Chinese city and crime rates are high.

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erin's avatar
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Right. Jerm seems to be contradicting himself here. If it's not the cameras per se, what is it then?

I live in a very safe community, with no cameras at all except by the outdoor ballot box.

Edit: also, to flip the argument, would it make SA safer if there were tons of working cameras? Somehow I doubt it. What do you think?

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erin's avatar

Right. Jerm seems to be contracting himself here.

If it's not the cameras per se, what is it?

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Laurence Warburton's avatar

So is the new narrative jerm that we should accept it all? Or should we strive for small government?

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Jo Waller's avatar

Accept what? That some of us are being led to oppose Kings and some of us big government?- both of us thinking we're opposing the establishment but both missing by a mile.

The establishment are those who already watch and control people in the US and it's Western vassals; US based interests in fossil fuels, animal ag, agrochemicals, AI, media, finance, tech, entertainment, gambling, porn, drug and sex trafficking and arms.

It's doesn't matter if you have a King, Queen, big government or little government. Squabbling over which to resist keeps us distracted from them, which makes them happy too.

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erin's avatar

There is a difference. A small govt is easier to keep tabs on than a big gov't.

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Jo Waller's avatar

you miss the point- the appearance of big left wing government or small laissez-faire government doesn’t change the fact that both do what they’re told by industry who are the ones who run things and who we should actually be keeping tabs on- and preferably not buying into and keeping them rich and powerful.

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erin's avatar

What I am saying is that when you have corruption. -- and all govts have some -- it is easier for the citizens to see and deal with in a small and carefully limited govt. It's far easier to steal everything that's not nailed down in a big bloated organization of any kind. Easier for the shadowy non-elected types to gain control.

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Mediocrates's avatar

Chinese aren surveilled for crowd control - Westerners are surveilled for their financial data.

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Jonathan McGinlay's avatar

I'm not sure cameras stop crime. They can just wear a mask. Police on the street are the best deterrent. I'd imagine China have more of them than the UK. SA sounds nuts.Have u wrote about why u think it's like that?

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Esme N's avatar

i don't really care what china is doing. if they like to live in a nascent technocratic country then that is their choice.

what i do care about it what is clearly being planned for the westernised nations and that could also be rolled out further and wider if the hidden hands running this world get away with their plans

i highly recommend looking at this. it is long, however the individual parts are also available broken down on the same substack.

https://open.substack.com/pub/dhughes/p/third-omniwar-symposium-about-to

we ignore the implications of this at our peril as the evidence presented here goes way deeper than anything that jerm may have witnessed during his stay in china.

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Jerm's avatar

It isn’t a competition. The world is a big place.

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Esme N's avatar

i didn't use the term or imply that it was one.

it seems that indeed chinese mega cities are clean, well organised and run efficiently. qudos to them. a well oiled model for the upcoming 15 minute versions that are the technocrats wet dream, now that we have been mass migrated into up to our gills and the resultant cities are now a cess pool of crime and filth. organised by the same forces pushing the technocracy dream upon us.

in china this way of operating was not necessary or even feasible, no, the technocracy there was put into place via very different means, suited to the type of populace there. the method in each nation will differ, the goals are all the same.

i'm sure you enjoyed your time in china immensely jerm, and why not, its fun going to places and checking them out. that does not negate the fact that that country was where to covid psyop was launched from and they played their part well, and jabbed and treated their population just as aggressively if not more so than elsewhere. part of the world machine controlled by a psychotic minority and the compartmentalised lackies, no doubt about it.

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Jerm's avatar

The COVID psyop was not launched from China. Saying it was is part of the psyop.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Yep. Clare Craig- a British doctor who's part of the controlled opposition was just saying today that it was. Utter bollocks. https://drclarecraig.substack.com/p/the-new-mandarinate

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erin's avatar

What about the vids of people falling over dead, vids of insane whole street fumigation, endless vids of people in tyvek suits and masks, vids of people being imprisoned in their apartments... all false?

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Jo Waller's avatar

err yes- all false- it's actually quite easy to film people pretending to pole axe in the street etc! https://jowaller.substack.com/p/xi-and-li-and-the-great-hoax?utm_source=publication-search

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Cat Burglar's avatar

Probably 25 years ago or more I was visiting a friend who was one of the early importers of cheap Chinese products. He showed me video of his trip to China, and what stuck out to me was one clip that was at least five minutes long of him riding in a car through a long tunnel. The driver was speaking in Chinese the whole time with a phone up to his ear.

I asked him how the guy was able to stay on the phone through a tunnel that long and he said phone service there was seamless and calls didn’t drop often.

He would often talk about how the anti-China news was BS and that they were much better off there than was claimed.

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Rosemary B's avatar

I have a blog friend that lives in Taiwan, isn't that little "republic" also fully surveilled by cameras? I believe so.

Interesting thing, some months ago, I was google earthing around South Africa. I noted most properties are fenced in, and guarded by cameras and security. I found that kind of a good idea. It is the same here in many places.

then again, some places are a total loss.... why would you want to live in the middle of Dearborn Michigan or some creepy place elsewhere with your nifty security system. Not a great idea anyway.

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Rosemary B's avatar

I feel as long as we have ppl so out of control here in the US, cameras are a good idea. Most ppl here have their own cameras. If you post a sign on your property that you have cameras, some undesirable ppl will take heed I would hope.

Cameras are fine and well, if they see you jaywalking or non-helmet riding, I think that is just a little problem not worth addressing, but if something were to occur, an accident that involved some one "being unlawful" that is a good tool.

We have never had an alarm system installed on our home. However, 35+ years ago, I did print out some authentic signage from ADT website and affixed them to various windows and doors on the exterior. We have never had our home tampered with but ?? who knows. You can also buy good looking fake cameras.... I think signage is good enough

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Frances Leader's avatar

I have two subscribers who live in China and I frequently tag them into the propaganda we are seeing. They are both doing well and happy to stay there, so it can't be all bad.

@James Filbird and @jerrystakeonChina are worth getting to know.

Personally, I would love to visit China. I would like to see the historical sites, dramatic landscapes and traditional dress, food and lifestyles. It is such a huge country with a rich heritage that I admire greatly ever since I discovered the delights of Chinese cinema, medicine and philosophy.

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