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Irene The Insomniac's avatar

Fabulous interview and I agree I it could have gone on much longer! I think Sasha and Katherine have done the entire world a favour by exposing the horrible laws that have allowed this all to be “legal”. Extremely shocking to first learn about but liberating at the same time. And thank you Jerm! I found you early in during Covid and your guests have all been very interesting and informative. I may not believe everything (flat earth comes to mind) but it’s so refreshing to be able to have an open minded discussion about all sorts of topics. Thank you! 👏👏

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Roy's avatar

Yes it was

Planned and funded by DoD

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Frances Leader's avatar

I agree with Sasha on everything she will actually discuss. However, try to get her to consider that electro-magnetic frequencies, particularly the roll out of 5G, may be the root cause of the novel illness we experience and sit well back to watch her explode in fireworks with enough spite and venom to rival any snake.

She won't even entertain the idea even though the documentation and proof would physically engulf her if she were to dare to check it out. I have a continuously growing archive here: https://francesleader.substack.com/p/all-my-substack-articles-on-emfc19

She sounds all sweetness and light in her interviews, but do not be fooled. That is one steely, foul mouthed harridan when you take her out of her comfort zone. She could have dealt with the 5G issue by saying that she would consider the evidence but she did not. She abused and insulted and gas lit me for DAYS. I had to block her to put an end to her foul bullying.

I have also seen her pull the same personality switch on several other people.

Sasha has an agenda and if you want to discuss your own ideas she will whip you back into line like a Gestapo officer. So, sadly, I have to say that, from what I know of her, she is controlling and limiting at the least..... deliberately distracting at worst.

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Jerm's avatar

I am still looking into EMF/5G and will gladly expose the harms, but I do not accept the claim that there was a novel illness in 2020. In order for it to be novel, one needs to define precisely what was novel (never before observed). To date, nobody has been able to show anything new other than typical symptoms. If something is novel, how do you test for it? What are the metrics? What is the diagnostic test used? Saying 'I had something I've never had before' is not testable, so how does one conclude that something is novel?

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

Jerm, the theory that there was no novel illness is easily falsified. I think the proponents of it forget a couple of important points of scientific logic, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

1) You cannot prove negative

2) The novel illness does not have to be deadly (thus it won't show in excess mortality or total mortality, but only in morbidity data)

3) Causes of "covid" illness and "covid" death do not have to be the same: https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/covid-illness-is-different-from-covid?r=uaapz

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Frances Leader's avatar

Sasha described the principle symptoms which were definitely novel. The loss of smell and taste which resulted in her losing 20lbs of weight. Did you forget that part of her explanation?

Each person who suffers from electro-magnetic radiation sickness will provide you with a laundry list of symptoms which do not stop UNLESS the person can extract themselves from an EMF saturated environment.

I am one such person. I have to hardwire all devices, ban smart phones from my home, ground myself all day long by keeping bare feet on a special grounding mat. I wear EMF protective clothing, especially if I am going out. Here in the UK it is virtually impossible to find places that are clean of EMF exposure.

So far, with my trusty electrosmog detector I have found one safe space. It is the sauna at my local spa and I visit it 3 times a week for a rest from the battle.

My symptoms change too and I have heard this from others in their testimonies. If you imagine that the air is fraught with a multitude of signals from telecoms, monitors and the internet of things then symptoms inevitably alter as we move between zones. Some places are much worse than others.

Here in UK, the motorways are literally festooned with towers every few hundred yards and people have their receiving devices in a steel bodied vehicle. The EMF signals are attracted into the cars and bouncing around, penetrating them and their children with alarming effects, most of which are invisible because it has been proven that EMFs can alter DNA and can use hair follicles and calcium gateways as antennae within the body - especially in children and pets.

The impact of EMF proliferation in the British environment has been colossal. We have lost a lot of wildlife, especially insects and, as a consequence, small bird populations are disappearing fast. Trees and plants are burned on one side which is exposed to a tower or smart meter.

For a very clear understanding of the dreadful and highly variable impacts of unnatural electro-magnetic radiation please see two books:

The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg

The Body Electric by Robert Becker MD

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Jerm's avatar

Loss of taste and smell isn't novel, though. People have always lost taste and smell. Novel means 'new'. The mechanism by which one loses taste and smell might be novel, but the symptoms themselves are typical.

That's my point. People keep saying 'novel illness' while never actually explaining what they mean.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Believe me, when the symptoms of an overload of EMFs hits you, it is completely unlike anything else you may attribute to a flu or a cold. It certainly IS novel..... I do know what the word means, Jerm. Thanks.

Please see the symptoms listed in schematics created by US Military during 1972 included in one of my more recent articles.

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/there-is-no-virus-there-is-no-lab

We are all different and we have different strengths and weaknesses. Some of us get very sick immediately, others gradually build up a reaction until they are disabled! Mentally, most are completely oblivious of the root cause and do not know to avoid EMFs and so they worsen and worsen due to lack of information. Sceptics like Sasha and yourself who refuse to admit that something genuinely health threatening is occurring, due to invasive telecoms signals, are NOT HELPING us at all and, in fact, encourage the telecoms industry to continue making our lives a living hell.

It is an invisible weapon, Jerm! It also leaves NO RESIDUE and so deniability is very easy for the industry and its supporters.

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Jerm's avatar

Sure, but then how is that measured? Perhaps it isn't a novel illness but rather your body responding in a novel way (since, as you say, we're all different).

I maintain that no novel symptoms occurred during 2020 and, in fact, I'll argue that there are very few diseases that actually exist. What has happened is that Big Pharma has created multiple names for overlapping expressions of illness, followed by adding new products for those new names.

Death is the same thing for all humans, but the way in which we die differs, for example.

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Frances Leader's avatar

It is ‘novel’ when the government permits private companies to torture their citizens with microwaves which are known to seriously damage health.

The use of the word ‘novel’ originates in authoritarian literature. It doesn’t matter in the slightest. What matters is the many people who became very ill when 5G was rolled out in Wuhan, Bergamo, Tehran, London and New York (in that order) before March 2020.

Many of them died. I (for example) became hypoxic, lost all my teeth and much of my hair. There has been no recovery.

I don’t care if the particular arrangement of symptoms is novel or old hat. I care that people’s lives are ruined and that they are getting progressively more sick while you claim not to even believe that anything happened.

Unbelievable.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

Frances, anyone who comes at me with aggression and bullying, like you did (you forgot?) will get what they are asking for. I am not kind, nor nice, nor sweet, but I am fair. In fact, thanks for demonstrating your behavior here... LOL.

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Karl Rosengrant's avatar

Great information Sasha. Thank you.

I do have a question however. If a virus or bacteria can be transmitted via aerosols (airborn), and if that pathogen is able to breach the mucosal immune system, and get into the blood, then is it not possible that the pathogen could kill you as effectively as a pathogen which directly enters the bloodstream from a bite?

I think it is possible, and I think one could find a lot of anecdotal and published case studies to back up this hypothesis.

So, if a pathogen can be transmitted through the air, is it not possible for one person to transmit that pathogen to another's lungs through aerosols or exosomes which comes out of the infected person's lungs? If this can happen, then what is to stop a pandemic (or mass outbreak) from the disease?

Please don't take my questions as an attack. I have the utmost respect for you and your work, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts on these questions, which must be satisfied for me to buy the theory that pandemics can't happen.

Thanks again for the important revelations you have made. It's shocking, how evil a fascist government can become. Fascism is used in the traditional sense here as the merger of corporate and federal government. Large government usually becomes an evil beast, because of the fact that the powerful are the most corrupted by it. It becomes 10 times as evil when the endless need for more corporate profits, run the show.

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Pierre Van Dyk's avatar

Man, this was fascinating. I actually found this interview on Sasha's Substack. My awakening started with 9/11 in 2007. When covid struck, I did not immediately realize what was happening. When the vaccine was mentioned, I was "like hell no!". 9/11 WAS LIKE A FIRE WORKS SHOW COMPARED TO THE INTENT OF THIS PLANDEMIC.

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Follow the Silence's avatar

Jerm, thanks again for another great interview.

And thanks to Sasha for sharing a wealth of information and insights.

Below is a link to a post people might find useful. It provides a substantial shortlist of highly credentialled whistleblowers who have made a significant dent in the Covid narrative which—as we are now witnessing—is falling apart.

Peace, brother

Profiles in Courage: The COVID Era Whistleblowers:

https://followthesilence.substack.com/p/profiles-in-courage-the-covid-era

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Mark Thomas's avatar

Show me the paper for the isolation of the spike protein. Proteins can be isolated and characterized. Until such time there is no spike protein.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

There is a paper by Pfizer, an R&D report showing how they made synthetic spike proteins, including TEM images of it. I published on it, and some other researchers did too. I am satisfied with the evidence from Pfizer that this can be made in a lab. Also, I recently published on a UCSF study showing spike (in vaxxed, but they tried to cover it up) with a wide variety of scientific methods, including various imaging techniques. So it definitely exists. Thanks.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

My source: Dr Stefano Scoglio

https://odysee.com/@ime:4/The-Spike-Protein,-Dr.-Stefano-Scoglio:a

Snake venom, lab leak, spike protein, graphene, self assembling nanobots controlled by 5g, all unsubstantiated BS.

The clotting that morticians are on about is likely more bs, but I have not looked closely at that phenomenon.

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Karl Rosengrant's avatar

Mark, the clots are real, and supposedly they are in about 20% of the deceased. These clots have been analyzed by many labs. They consist of amyloid proteins containing misfolded spike proteins with fibrin and other clotting proteins.

Stephanie Senef and other scientists have published on the prion domains present in the spike's genomic sequence. The spike protein is likely to cause a variety of prion diseases in the next 10 years. It can effect any organ, not just the brain, (remember mad cow? That was a prion disease). Those who get symptoms have a zero chance of survival.

I fear that, over the next 10 years, most of the vaxed will be gone. Sorry to even suggest that, but prions from the shots, make this outcome likely. It's very sad to consider.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

So, you did not read the original documents, you are going by an opinion of a 3rd party that you like? Ok, got it. LOL. The rubbery clots are real, I have seen actual samples and talked to the actual morticians who extracted them, and in one case to the victim who was still alive. Those are polymerized crosslinked fibrin, crosslinking is facilitated by the spike circulating in the blood.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

I am assuming you did not watch the video. Whether or not synthetic spike protein was created in a lab is not the point. Once the so called SP enters the bloodstream, or the system if you will, it replicates and stands ready to defend against an imaginary virus. Globulins or what is called antibody is not specific to anything. It does not attack anything antibodies are just like virus. It’s a fraud. If I have butchered that explanation, listen to Stefano from 19:00 until whenever you want to stop. Better yet watch the entire video. I do not make scientific judgments based on the personality or likability of the messenger.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

How is this relevant to what I said?

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Mark Thomas's avatar

I have no access to the original documents from Pfizer. If they are using cell culture isolation techniques and taking electron imaging of particles said to be spike, that is not acceptable. If they are using an antibody test like Eliza. That is nonsense too. They never control with more than one antigen. They only use one antigen. If they get a cytopathic effect they say it is spike.

“ Nobody has ever isolated a spike protein directly from the blood of any vaccinated person. Isolation of proteins is something that’s done routinely.” This is a quote from Dr Scoglio in the video. If you watch the video you will at least understand what the rebuttal to your position is.

https://odysee.com/@ime:4/The-Spike-Protein,-Dr.-Stefano-Scoglio:a

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Dr Mike Yeadon's avatar

There doesn’t need to be a specific protein, synthetic or natural. The basic mechanism of immunotoxicity designed into these injections requires no more than a coding sequence for a non-self protein.

There are other mechanisms of toxicity that are independent of induction of self attack aka autoimmunity.

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Karl Rosengrant's avatar

Mark, proteins can be "isolated" (purified and crystalized, then analyzed to reveal its structure). This assumes it's functional structure is the same as it's crystalized structure. And it assumes you can easily get enough protein purified to crystalize it. This is not always possible.

These days you can sometimes see the protein, in its native structure, directly using atomic force microscopy. So there's no need to purify and crystalize it.

Purifying viruses and crystalizing them is not really a good way to learn about it's functional structure. This is why other methods are used.

Do a deep dive. The rabbit hole is more like a vast cavern of knowledge, some good, some less good. It's worth taking the leap. You may not agree with everything, but isn't that how science works?

We all have our pet theories, which may be 100% true, but may not be also. When we all listen and consider the evidence and reason others offer in support of their theories, and we do the same, then eventually a better truth is had by all. This is what science is all about in my opinion.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

Let’s get out of the in vitro didactics. I am not trying to teach anybody anything or insult their intelligence. There are at least over one hundred reliable studies that have been unable to prove human to human transmission of disease.

https://odysee.com/@Dr.TomCowan:8/The-End-of-Virology-(onceagain)-webinar-11202024:a

Even Yeadon says contagion is a psyop.

If there is no contagion, there’s no virus. Whatever particle you identify or call a virus or any other pathogen is silly. If it doesn’t transmit a disease, it’s just more biological debris. A spike protein is specific to a virus, right? So, spike protein is an artificial version of something that does not exist in the first place, at least not in nature. A bunch of stupid gullible people allowed a small group of sick fuck satin worshiping assholes to inject them with poison. The original definition of virus is poisonous substance. Pharmacia is sorcery by means of poison elixir. It is real simple, contagion is bullshit and don’t take poison!!!

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Dr Mike Yeadon's avatar

Ah, no. A “spike protein” is whatever somebody choose to call something. The naming is completely arbitrary. It doesn’t imply anything.

I could synthesise a protein and call it whatever I wanted.

It’s not correct to rightly say that since there’s no evidence of a virus, there cannot be a spike protein.

What there cannot be is “a protein derived from or part of a virus”. I agree with you there completely.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

Thank you for the reply Dr Yeadon.

2 things:

First, that is exactly my main point: What there cannot be is “a protein derived from or part of a virus”.

Second, whatever protein is created synthetic or natural, it must have a specific characterization and definition. Proteins can be isolated from blood or from other human fluids, tissues, etc. Then why not isolate what it is they’re saying they’re making from a vaccinated person and show that it in fact exists and is in the vaccinated. If successful, then begin to search for it in the unvaccinated, once you know what it is. This would settle the shedding issue.

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Dr Mike Yeadon's avatar

You’re absolutely right, but criminals aren’t going to do things that will prove that they’re crooks.

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Mark Thomas's avatar

SV-40???? (Simeon VIRUS 40).

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Allan's avatar

It is obvious, at least now, that the scam was worldwide and required the cooperation of most the world powers. But the question in my mind is what is the goal, the end game, that would unify so many disparate governments? Population reduction? Seems to me that there are much simpler ways to achieve that with the full cooperation of the people.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

"simpler way", like what - everyone kills themselves with joy?

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Allan's avatar

Like if the goal really is population reduction then give the process a couple of generations to fulfill itself? IDK, provide economic incentives for voluntary sterilization? The powers that shouldn’t be spend trillions of dollars on warfare, they could just as easily spend the same on “buyout packages” to individuals to stop reproducing. If it is a certain strata of the population they wish to get rid of then the “vaccine” did not do such a great job of selection.

Loved the interview, btw, it could have gone on for hours. For instance, I’d like to hear more about the RFK Jr book on Fauci. I think Fauci was set up to throw under the bus and RFK Jr (look where he is now) was given the green light to do the hit and run.

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Sasha Latypova's avatar

they don't have time for a couple of generations. The dollar system is collapsing much faster than that and they need to shrink the "balance sheet" ASAP. Money supply depends directly on the population size. Fauci is irrelevant. Covid wasn't his policy, he may have helped design it but he was not in charge, he was a figurehead.

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Allan's avatar

See? The interview could have gone on for a couple more hours! Thank you for the quick reply.

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Allan's avatar

Having thought about your reply, has the “vaccine” really, as you say, “shrunk the balance sheet” that much or are we in for a huge purge soon?

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Dr Mike Yeadon's avatar

I recall in an interview in 2020 using the following analogy to explain my own frustration about how very many people attempt to rationalise away what is definitively happening, on the grounds that there must be a simpler way to accomplish certain things and therefore those things aren’t happening or about to happen. Here it is.

<<I’m in my house, upstairs & I hear a disturbance in the street. I go to the window and I see three men. Two appear to be threatening the third man, and they are grappling with one another. I see an arm raised & something in his hand glints in the street light.

I quickly call the police and explain that there is a physical assault ongoing outside my house & that I fear that someone may be killed by a knife. I expect them to dispatch a car.

But the policeman on the phone says, “Wait. Unless you can give me a motive for why these two people might wish harm upon another person, I’m not going to believe you”.>>

I’ve explained how the entire public health emergency claim is fake & that the notion of viruses as submicroscopic, infectious particles which cause diseases, can be transmitted from person to person and which require “vaccinations” in order to protect a person is nothing but lies, cultivated over decades.

I’ve further described in detail how the injections were designed intentionally to injure, kill and reduce fertility in survivors. There is no possibility of medical benefit from these injections.

In reviewing previously existing “vaccines” it is now clear that, by including trace amounts of one or other protein from all major food groups, very large numbers of people are rendered permanently intolerant of normal, essential food all around them. There are several other toxicities.

While money changed hands in extraordinary quantities, there is clear evidence of involvement of the people who control the operation of central banks. Depriving ordinary people of independence by impoverishing them, while bribing others with the promise of riches is an adequate description of the role of money in this global crime, which primarily cannot be about money, only power and the ability to degrade quality of life as well as to shorten it.

It is not necessary to understand the motives of those who designed and implemented the state of affairs I’ve described, most of which Sasha outlined in this & other interviews and articles. I acknowledge the importance of a number of insights Sasha made in the development of my own understanding of the reality of the situation we’re in.

We do not know why the beings i collectively call “the perpetrators” are doing what they’re doing nor their timeline. We can guess by reference to “UN 2030 sustainable development goals” some of the milestones, but not much else.

The most likely objective of this entire operation is to gain totalitarian, digital control of everyone in the world, initially in The West, by means of cashless CBDC & a novel format digital ID which is editable in real time.

Once such a system is installed, if we permit it, there is no escape from it. If the perpetrators intend to farm us, watch us like insects in a colony or to reduce the population, we will have only the choice of ways to die.

In case a reader regards this as exaggeration, an element which has been described by many is the future obligation to accept regular injections (“vaccines”) as a condition of continuing validity of one’s digital ID. Comply and be injured & killed. Refuse and be excluded from your own life.

The perpetrators include many people who are undisguised eugenicists who have argued that there are too many people in the world. They are descended from their antecedents who expressed the same opinions, certainly as far back as the Victorian era in Britain.

I don’t think there are simpler ways to accomplish all of this, in a system in which, when it’s almost installed, virtually nobody appears to have noticed anything beyond mild suspicion about one thing or another. I see virtually no one who has integrated all the major threads of evidence & is willing to speak about it, beyond Sasha, Katherine Watt & Debbie Lehrman.

(This isn’t intended to be an exhaustive list, merely examples, but to illustrate that there are so pitifully few).

What is happening is in numerous ways simple. It’s extraordinarily clever and the product of diabolical imagination. For the perpetrators, the huge advantage is that, even as millions of people are killed & hundreds of millions injured, nobody is seeking to arrest the perpetrators. I doubt there are simpler methods to accomplish all these things:

Total control.

Ability to regulate population and indeed almost anything about the people.

Requiring little to no physical force.

Remain undetected by the vast majority of the population.

Personally, if pressed for a motive for this extraordinarily extended period of planning as well as the assaults themselves, I have come to see it as a battle between good and evil. The belief system of the leading perpetrators is satanic, diabolical and similar labels.

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