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9/11 Revisionist's avatar

There definitely is an intellectually lazy way at "attacking" people in the "truth" sphere, but also, let's remember Dr David A. Hughes' 3 camps of truth awareness...

Camp 1 - The government narrative

Camp 2 - The government approved counter narrative, filled with truth tellers, that don't tell you the full truth, it's also filled with charlatans and operatives to muddle up the truth and most truth seekers get stuck in camp two.

Camp 3 - The uncomfortable truth, where the truth gets ridiculed, censored and the algorithms make sure you don't get to camp three easily.

Remember the "freedom of speech, limited reach" on X?

A very large proportion of the alt media heads fall in camp 2.

I particularly have an issue, when you reach out to these alt media talking heads with information that counters the narrative they push and seeing that I specialize in the provable government approved counter narrative of 9/11, that is the bomb, thermite and nuke narratives, I have seen it with multiple alt media talking heads that are completely unwilling to be open to the fact that they have been deceived.

When it comes to 9/11 Jerm, you are camp 3...

Your 9/11 podcasts are what people should watch.

Link: https://www.jermwarfare.com/tag/9-11/

Alex Jones is a SOLID camp 2 and recently he even LIED in a comment to me on X, which I discuss and show in this article;

Alex Jones, Charlie Sheen, Tucker Carlson & 9/11

Two Camp 2 Talking Heads and an Actor Failing at Presenting 9/11 Truth

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-tucker-carlson

Tucker Carlson also fell very short in his 5 part series covering 9/11, but he showed he knows more than he's letting on and especially his episode 4 was very telling on what he is hiding.

I broke it down in my coverage of that episode of his series.

The Tucker Carlson 9/11 Files | Ep 4

An Alternative Media Talking Head's Mission in Uncovering 9/11 Truth Gone Wrong

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-tucker-carlson-911-files-ep-4

A couple of alt media talking heads / influencers are waking up to the camp 3, 9/11 truth...

Dr Mike Yeadon getting stuck into 9/11 truth

The ex-Pfizer scientist is about to find the truth of the events on September 11, 2001

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/dr-mike-yeadon-getting-stuck-into

People really need to understand how the deceit around 9/11 has played out over the last 24 years and is still playing out, as good intentioned truth seekers are funding the greater cover-up of the truth by the "trusted experts" in the 9/11 truth movement.

If you can notice those patterns, it's easier for people to see those same patterns emerging in this health freedom truth movement post cv-19 and all the other distractions that we are getting bombarded with.

Dr David A. Hughes interview with 9/11 Revisionist

Narrative vs. evidence; Morgan Reynolds; Mark Conlon; Shanksville; the Pentagon; Curt Weldon; survivors on Stairwell B; Richard Gage; Camp 2 propaganda techniques; the 9/11 Memorial Museum.

Interview: https://911revision.substack.com/p/david-hughes-on-the-importance-of

Your statement - "If I find the ideas valuable, I absorb them. If I don’t find the ideas valuable, I discard them." - Is a good way of approaching talking heads in the alt sphere.

I do have a problem with them, when they are shown their blind spots and they then refuse to change their minds. That's disingenuous and not a mark of a true truth seeker, or then maybe the alt media talking head might just have an agenda.

9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline

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Jerm's avatar

We must be careful about this "camp" thing too. Who's the authority on how many camps there are? Why must there be three? Repeating them over and over doesn't mean they're true. There could be 17 camps, for all we know. And the government isn't the only authority either. We know that stakeholder capitalists are more powerful than governments (and work with governments). We know that there are organisations higher than that with even more power and influence.

I'm not saying the "three camps" narrative is bunk, but I'm saying we should question it too.

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DJL's avatar

There could be “17” camps. Yes 17. I like that number

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9/11 Revisionist's avatar

I would say the 17 can be put as sub categories under camp 2....

When discussing 9/11 - The camp three model fits quite nicely.

There are three basic versions of the 9/11 events.

Although differences and / or overlapping may occur, the following three versions generally describe what most people believe:

1. OGCT: This is known as the “Official Government Conspiracy Theory”. This version states that a guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspired with 19 box cutter-wielding Muslims to hijack airplanes, outwit the USA’s entire multi-trillion dollar defense system, and cause the Twin Towers to collapse. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the truth of 9/11.

2. APCT. I call this the “Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory”. This version states that, more or less, there were hijackings on 9/11, but the planes might have been taken under remote control to ensure they crashed as planned. Airplanes most likely crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville, but planes definitely did crash into the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 collapsed from conventional explosives and thermite, and molten metal was found in the rubble. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the “wacko conspiracy theory” that the “truth movement” believes.

3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these.

9/11 Truth Suppression Timeline

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin

Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-truth-suppression-timeline

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

It has been interesting to see the high profile professionals tread the path to full awareness. I did wonder for a while at the beginning if the seemingly controlled were not controlled at all - but just not able to grasp how dire the situation has become.

Take chemtrails/geoengineering. Today, I am in the forefront of the behind the scenes part of that fight in the USA. I learned about it for one reason. A grocery store checker spent THREE YEARS asking me if I'd learned about it yet, did I see what they did (in the sky) today? and more. I only got 2-3 minutes when checking out my groceries, to hear what she had to say... and I just smiled and nodded and told her it was interesting. I never believed her because believing that my own government would spray a wide range of toxic substances, pharmaceuticals, disease pathogens, heavy metals, micro-plastics directly into the environment - the very air I breath - was an emotional bridge too far for me. The "if this is true, then what other horrors I've heard about must be true too" ramifications were overwhelming...

In the end, I began to research it myself in 2014 - an easy 10 - 20 years behind everyone else. I dug that rabbit hole right into the Florida governor's office and dragged several federal political hack's staff with me. When I submitted my 8 months of pro-bono research to all of them, nobody would talk to me and they 100% stopped answering my calls.

So, it isn't always that someone is controlled. It might just be that they can't emotionally grasp the truth yet, and there's still hope for them. :))))))))))

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

People are busy with distractions, which is the point. Following the bouncy ball does not save your life, but it condemns you to stay put and die. The hidden hand is at work keeping control...

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

I couldn't agree more! I'm obssessive and easily distracted myself. Projects that should take me a couple of weeks, get piled up and beome months. I console myself that at least I keep it all moving in the same direction - even if the pace sometimes is just shit. :)))

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Great points.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

Then you will be absorbing the propaganda and as we all know your "automatic brain" (AB) will register the effect the propagandist wants you to. You cannot control your AB or use logic to override it.

You can see this effect every day in advertising. The only way to avoid it is to avoid the source.

If I catch someone in a deliberate lie or misleading me I don't listen to them again.

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Jerm's avatar

That's a binary approach and a slippery slope.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

Really?

If you know someone has misled you or lied why would you listen to them again?

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Jerm's avatar

It depends on what the situation is and who the person is. It also depends on context. Sometimes, a deliberate lie could mean avoiding harm, such as with vaccines.

My point is that being binary is a slippery slope and intellectually lazy.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

We both know we aren’t referring to a “Not telling the Nazis Anne Frank is in the attic” or “Father Christmas” situation, Jerm.

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Jerm's avatar

No we don't. I can't read your mind.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

Assuming you're talking in good faith tell me what you've gained from listening to liars?

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Someone can have great information on 9 out of 10 things, but mislead themselves on point 1, which does not discount the rest. Real people evolve their viewpoints over time.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

Now read what I wrote.

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All Mouth And Trousers's avatar

What did I say?

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Jerm's avatar

That you think in absolutes with no space for nuance or complexity.

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Ally Kelly's avatar

It's because they are very likely a bot on autopilot.

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Seeds's avatar

I was reading a highly creditable academic; know for in depth research, solid critical analysis and justified conclusions.

In the same article, this writer referred to the moon landing and the moral bankruptcy of the education system.

Good call on the education system, red flag on the moon landing.

I can take the good and leave the rest, but I cannot stop the red flag from waving.

Many tend to board the train they think is on track, close their minds and just party on with their fellow travelers regardless.

This kind of closed mindedness is dangerous I think.

If someone is intolerant of any alternative input, I inevitably distrust them.

No one can always be right.

The ability to respectfully consider alternative input, reflects personal integrity.

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PatriciaHenry's avatar

To a degree I can take the good and leave the bad from writers and researchers. But also bear in mind what Miri AF says which paraphrased is if he or she is a household name then they’re probably put there for a reason. Nevertheless follow the money both looking at who funds the person as well as what could the person be selling and cui bono are still good mantras I try to follow.

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Ally Kelly's avatar

I like to call such folks 'authorized' and they're useful whether they have been told they are or not :)

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Derek T's avatar

No one can possibly be expert in everything. Likewise, this highlights the problem with, for example, actors who express their political opinions as the only accepted truth. Just because you have a singular gift doesn't make you a genius in other aspects of life.

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

With actors, you have no idea if they are expressing their genuine opinion or if they are being paid to play the role of someone expressing a genuine opinion.

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Utopian Fool's avatar

An eminently sensible approach with which I fully concur. If you only "trust" those who are in total agreement with your opinions, you a) are likely suffering from cognitive bias and b) probably have fewer and fewer friends!

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Sober Christian Gentleman's avatar

Consider everything , then make up your own mind.

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

OMG. Talk about timing. This just in:

The Psyop That Wasn’t: A Response to Andrew Kaufman’s Panel on Nanotech

https://davidnixon.substack.com/p/the-psyop-that-wasnt-a-response-to

OK. Dr. Andrew Kaufman is one of my heros!! I have his book The Contagion Myth. He's spoken out over and over in alignment with everything I believe about the C19 debacle...

But just now I find out he doesn't believe in the C19 bio-synthetic, self-assembling, nanotech contamination aspect of this mess? WHAT!!?? OMFG!! How the mighty are falling this morning. How could he even be in this cognitive spot?? Hasn't he heard of La Quinta Columna and Ricardo Delgado? (They were the first to find the micro-transceivers and antenna like objects in 06/2021).

And that's how it goes. I won't see Dr. Kaufman, or his info, the same way EVER again. I won't recommend him or his book to anyone. This isn't just a little factual error or partially incorrect conclusion.

The guy has gone out and created an entire professional panel, to try to stop the growing understanding that we have been contaminated with bio-synthetic nanotechnology for DECADES (the condition Morgellons derives from it).

He doesn't believe in the most critical part of the entire Transhumanist agenda. This tech enables the well-documented WBAN and the Sentient World Simulation. This is the reason data centers are being built so fast no one can stop them (like the 5G mast roll out in 2020)... Doesn't he know that the Japanese government apologized to their people in 05/2024 for injecting them with nanotech??!.

And that's how the controlled oppo situation goes... I will send him a copy of Geoengineered Transhumanism by Elana Freeland (2025).

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Nick's avatar

Kaufman is a grifter, I receive 2-3 emails per week from him, selling all kinds of very expensive “health” products.

And, I totally agree with you about the nanotech, it’s proven now, but trying to tell more people about it, results in anger, ridicule and dismissive reactions.

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

That's so sad. So many of them started selling supplements... and I haven't really looked at what they are selling to see if any of it dissolves the hydrogels. I know more about supplementing than most of these jokers and I know people who are vastly more informed than me... so I would never buy their shit. No way.

I wonder if the folks who react negatively to the fact that they are contaminated with nano building micro devices - are doing so because of the contamination itself programming them to react that way?

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Nick's avatar

Not sure, my feeling is people can’t comprehend the highly advanced technology that has been deployed. Some think it’s science fiction. I’ve heard some dumb things being said about it by so called high profile activists. The ceiling is too low for some of these folks. Massive blind spots in their thinking.

I thought your explanation of the nanotech issue is spot on by the way…

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

FreedomWarriorWoman, Karl C. and Dr. David Nixon are just 3 of the 24 "micronauts" on Substack who own Dark Field Microscopes and have been publishing amazing photography of this tech.

FWW is about to publish a photo book - and I want a copy!! :))

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anne's avatar

we also dont have to agree on everything - leave the personal attacks out of it - agree to disagree - keep an open mind and dont get down into the mire - its exactly what they (whoever they are) want. positive debate and discourse is great and reconnecting to our intuitive powers is part of this process. Am forever greatful to the work of people like Jerm - it is opening my mind making me think more critically and getting me off my arse to focus on whats important and how to work on solutions. Dont stop Jeremy and really - I think most of the negative responses are bots because people couldnt be that ignorant.....hmmmm hopefully not.

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Hypernoia's avatar

How deep does the rabbit hole go? Controlled opposition...? Just look at the people who still believe the corrupt establishment mind control media -- and think they "fight for dumb-o-crazy", and being useful idiots creating chaos to deliver us into the globalist dictatorship. All with good intentions, because they "feel" they are the "good guys". There can be no unity, when everyone is turned on each other living in disparate, false, purposefully manufactured realities, manipulated by highly refined mind control techniques of which they are completely naive. In fact, they're quite outraged when you insist that they are in fact "brainwashed" to struggle against people that if they ever had honest conversations, they'd realize are in basic agreement on all the major points. Realitywar is the essence of it, and the big keystone of the control. Garbage In, Garbage Out. Who can you trust?

https://terratimes.substack.com/p/the-counter-culture-hoax

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waypasthadenough's avatar

Of course it's intentional. Who were George Will and William F. Buckley and countless others? What was operation Mockinbird? Why did the robber barons buy the major newspapers in the early 20th century?

The net blogowtfeversphere has ballooned out into multiple universes, to levels I never imagined. It's impossible to keep track of all of it, good or bad.

In the 90s the net was mostly patriots who knew the mainstream newswhores were liars. But there were a handful of websites at best and they'd usually be talking about similar or same.

But that's tool-using monkey nature, with its thousands of religions and their versions, sub-versions and subversions, languages, philosophies, on and on.

Here's the key: If they aren't talking about the BILL OF RIGHTS and the states' BILLS OF RIGHTS based upon the concept of NATURAL RIGHTS, which is the RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST AND KILL THOSE WHO WOULD ENSLAVE YOU or in our case enslave us further, then they're part of the problem.

If they're not telling people and sheeple to be ready to walk out their front door with the local genuine people's MILITIA and go kill their DOMESTIC ENEMIES, their GREATEST ENEMIES, then they're fakers.

Because this country was started by exactly those sorts. April 19, 1775, the day they shot back at their fellow 'Englishmen' and 'subjects of the king,' GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, who came to confiscate their ARMS, locally and personally owned CANNON, powder and shot and small ARMS, should be our greatest holiday.

The didn't make a vid and encourage gun owners to tell the authorities they'd lost their now buried guns(artifacts) in a boating accident.

They FUCKING USED THEM!!!!!!!!

That means we should already have established our county MILITIAS and raised every generation in the knowledge of real history, warts and all, human nature not mythology, martial arts and basic infantry and survival skills.

And you don't get to vote unless you went through that process and passed a test proving you know our history and the form of govt. we're supposed to have here and after proving you can hit a running commie or theocrat at 3 or 300 meters.

Voting itself is an act of violence because it's choosing a whore to hire a whore with a badge and a gun to enforce your version of reality on others at the pain of death. Nothing less, ever.

WAR CRIMES TRIALS for the PLANDEMIC and the stolen elections and 9/11 and mass shootings and on and on would've already been held and vid of the bodies of the perps, high and low, would be on the net for the world to see.

Look in the mirror or ask your fellow 'patriots' or whatever they call themselves what they think of that and see what results you get.

Western civ. is dead and deserves it because the fighting spirit of its sheeple and its 'saviors' is dead.

Anything built or rebuilt with less than I outlined above will be another empty shell, an endless reform of authoritarian corruption.

The end is always near and always quite handy. Now pay your taxes and your interest and shut up.

Unless the alphabet soup agencies are GROUND INTO DUST they will be used against real patriots as they are in EVERY PREZ ADMIN.

FK - Let’s ban all the whores…

https://www.freekentucky.com/lets-ban-all-the-whores/

What would Pussy Galore think?

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

You would like the book, The Great We-Set by David Zuniga. His organization TacticalCivics.com is rocking but also stuck in a time warp. TC proposes that we citizens restore our control of local government through the establishment of County Militias and County Citizen Grand Juries. BUT, TC doesn't actually instruct, fund, or assisst it's local county chapters (there are 3100 counties in the USA) on the nuts and bolts of how to get those two ordinances adopted... and that part is make or break for the whole effort.

Right now, TC is waiting for "the right moment" to have the most advanced 100 county chapters start that process at the same time - but nobody knows what the process for doing it is. So great idea, less great roll out.

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waypasthadenough's avatar

Without having seen that or read it I'd have to say the militia must exist outside of and OVER all govt.s, local to national to whatever with the power to arrest, charge and try and execute all elected hired and appointed public SERVANTS who obviously fail to uphold their oaths to our Bills of Rights based upon the concept of NATURAL RIGHTS.

Could there still be corruption in that process? Certainly. But the penalties must be harsh and enforcement strict while making allowances for 'honest mistakes' however defined.

As an example, any seeking any form of 'gun control' would have a date with the granite gallows in front of every govt. building. They've already taken their oath and broken it. Simple math.

After looking at the Amazon page for that book I must note that the Founders really did establish a SECULAR govt. regardless of how much 'believers' like to LIE about that fact and 'freedom of religion' is DE FACTO freedom FROM the religion of the nut down the road who would happily force his version of reality on all.

The Founders had studied recent to them history and understood that very well, as evidenced by the millions tortured and/or murdered during and after the reformation.

A past friend of mine had similar inclinations and wanted to base or partly base any future militia or govt. on the 'Ten Commandments.'

While they are certainly a part of our history they are not and should never be the basis of any govt. established to ensure human liberty. If so we are no better than the fundie muslims.

He kicked me off his telegram group proving once again how little religionists value true 'free speech.' Neither side of the culture war values true liberty.

If you put anything over the Bill of Rights you are waiting for someone to dictate to you what both mean.

I've seen several 'manifestos' over the years. Most of them don't get far.

https://www.freekentucky.com/barry-bright-what-must-be-done/

Thank you...

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60Gigahertz2's avatar

Thank you for pointing out the religious aspect of TC's work. I don't believe there is any place for religion in government... but the secular government reform group where I live is so small, that I overlook that part of TCs philosophy just to keep the government reform ball rolling and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The ordinances do not permit ANY government employees in either the County Militia or the County Grand Jury. A judge 'stands' the grand jury and that's it. The State government is supposed to fund the Militia and it is staffed by citizens and citizen volunteers.

I've tried a few times to explain the many issues that happen when the Christian church involves itself with government. Women and minorities suffer the most, and corruption becomes baked in - but politically minded church goers usually don't understand what I'm talking about.

The Church inserts "Rule of Man" where only "Rule of Law" should exist. It also becomes a refuge for corrupt officials who get their ignorant or equally evil church members to support them in the community when they lie, cheat, discrespect and steal. So the church can be a reason why corruption perpetuates for so long without anyone stopping it...

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Ally Kelly's avatar

I appreciate this write up a lot. The nuance you discuss is the critical point of balance for the eyes that seek Truth above all else. Seems like you're discussing the art of discernment really. One thing I want to comment on is your point about not all opposition is controlled - this one strategy of psychological warfare... it's useful when people become agents unbeknownst to themselves. No payroll needed. Certain movements begin organically and then are usefully co-opted to some degree and the people involved become unpaid agents many times without realizing it.

I also want to note that I understand your intended point though, that many voices can be in opposition to the standard narrative or even opposing controlled opposition without being handled to any degree. This is when information overload becomes a conveniently useful side effect as well, which clouds critical thinking skills. I think this side effect is why for so many their opinions of people are black & white instead of gray with discernment... Hopefully that makes sense to you!

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Foxtrot Victor's avatar

Ironic, you were on my daily check up until, a few years ago, I decided you were controlled opposition. I picked TPUSA as a psyop mainly because Michael Flynn's involvement, he runs a big network of them. I'm not listening to anyone who deliberately deceives, and sadly that now includes Ryan Dawson.

Who to trust??......Shaun Attwood, Prof Hamamoto, Elizabeth Nickson, most of Michael Farris's guests, in Particular Alex Krainer, Promethian network, Matt Ehret, Richard Werner, Catherine Austin Fitts, Dialogue Works & all his guests...

I am, or maybe was, a Q-Tard. Of anybody, Trump has been able to peer directly into the belly of the beast, but did he fall in???? He sat with Nixon, along with boxes of his papers for at least a day. Roger Stone confirms this. He talked with that snake Roy Cohn daily for years, he rubbed shoulders with Epstein.

He hasn't yet come clean on anything he was expected to. The Jab, 9/11, JFK. Even RFK, he could have said something about Sirhan Sirhan. Trump could have pardoned him and we could all have been listening to James Corbett's "The strange case of Sirhan Sirhan" officially endorsed along with the role of characters like Jolyon West and his links to Timothy McVeigh, yet another patsy. He clearly participates in the fake assassination attempt a Butler which I bought into, lapping up Chris Martenson's superb analysis of the audio at the same time dismissing Ole Dammeguard who never deliberately deceives.

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Yeowoman's avatar

I just watched a really old video about 911 ... the guy was asking why the truth movement was so fractious and awful and failing so badly. :( . I personally think the answer is to say 'yes and' rather than 'no but' each times there's a contrast of opinions.

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TheLastBattleStation's avatar

I think it’s important to understand that just because you adhere to or believe in a “conspiracy theory” it doesn’t validate or prove any or all of the others. Take chemtrails for an example. I’ve never seen one. Honestly. I’ve seen pictures, but we can no longer trust pictures on the internet. I’m not saying chemtrails don’t exist, I just require more evidence. Once you can accept that government is not your friend and not here to help you, it makes it easier.

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Chris L's avatar

Yea, the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach is standard cointelpro. Associate one silly, ridiculous theory with others, it poisons the whole mix in the mind of the less discerning. I see this a lot with vaccine criticism ... It's commonly mentioned in the same breath as flat earth.

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Jack Dunn's avatar

Here's a fascinating substack post I read this week. It answers a lot of questions. We're supposed to be be distrustful, the propagandists won or as the writer wrote "the dancing nurses won".

I agree with your pragmatic approach, take what's useful and discard the rest.

https://open.substack.com/pub/howard366646/p/helpful-steps-towards-understanding

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Andrew Jantke's avatar

Excellent! I really found the claim about Whitney Webb disturbing as I’ve always liked her deep research on subjects - so your suggestion of cherry picking the good stuff from commentators (and ignoring the dubious) hits the spot for me.

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